Friday, November 6, 2015

Thoughts and Questions on The Baptism Requirement of Gay Children.

  1. “And again, inasmuch as parents have children in Zion, or in any of her stakes which are organized, that teach them not to understand the doctrine of repentance, faith in Christ the Son of the Living God, and of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, when eight years old, the sin be upon the heads of the parents.” (D&C 68:25.)
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression

The Church hasn't come out with an official statement yet- But it is all over the media." LDS Church: Children of Same Sex Couples Not Eligible For Membership."

When I first saw this- I thought "This is seriously going to be the last straw for many members of the church." What a trial of faith for many saints. I have compassion on many of those who are struggling with this, and pray that we may all find an understanding and peace of how this (potential) announcement is consistent with the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints.

Now. I don't expect everyone to agree with what I am about to say in the rest of my post, but this is how I have (so far), been able to reconcile my faith and feel at peace with this decision. I am going to continue to study and pray to seek more truth and wisdom, but these main points are what I have come up with so far, I ENCOURAGE POSITIVE DISCUSSION. ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS OR NAME CALLING ON EITHER SIDE WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED! If you find fault in my logic, that is OK. I am still formulating my opinion and respectful conversation with those who disagree will help me to think more deeply about this topic, I very well could be completely wrong, I am not a gospel scholar, but I think I can learn through expressing my thoughts.

 “And again, inasmuch as parents have children in Zion, or in any of her stakes which are organized, that teach them not to understand the doctrine of repentance, faith in Christ the Son of the Living God, and of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, when eight years old, the sin be upon the heads of the parents.” (D&C 68:25.)

  • I think this is the most important scripture to me in reconciling the decision of the church. These children who will inevitably be in this situation, are not going to be allowed to be baptized at the standard age of 8, and there are some consequences associated with that. One of those consequences is not having the constant companionship of the spirit that comes with confirmation only after baptism. That is a sad thought to deprive children of that because of their Parent's actions But this scripture states that the sin will be on the head of the parents. That may sound harsh, but it is true only to those who are apart of Zion and who have known the truth, but don't follow it for whatever reason.
  • "Well what about all those other children who are baptized with parents not living gospel standards? How is that any different? It seems the Church has come out directly against Gay people! What about the Alcoholics? You still allow their children to be baptized even though you say thy are sinning!" Some are saying within the church that those children are the ones who need the blessings of baptism and the companionship of the holy ghost the most in their situations, why would you punish the precious children who need it most!
  • I don't know the answers to all these questions. I think the way the church sees it is that the Gay parents are outwardly living a life that directly contradicts church doctrine, and are out there ACTIVELY promoting others to do so, and whether we like it or not, children are associated with their parents. I don't think alcoholics go out and try to convince OTHERS to embrace alcoholism and become alcoholics. So now I have the question then of "Well then why are the children of Such and Such excommunicated couple that is actively opposing the church allowed to be baptized?!! Are they? I don't know. I don't think that there are enough widespread excommunicated couples with children who want to get baptized to warrant a general statement. I would imagine that is just taken care of on a case by case basis since it is such a small number. But The Church is probably anticipating a wide number of these situations, so to guide the current leaders, they have given us application to follow.
  • God Loves his precious children, and will always bless them. This is not about whether or not god Loves the children of gay parents, for he loves EVERYONE. Period, no matter what you do or who you are. It is about what requirements there are to be a member of His church- which comes with associated blessings. You don't have to have the root for the same sports team for your parents to love you {or maybe you do in some households!! ;)}. But if they invite you into their club party for that team where there have been rules and standards set for entry, they would expect you to respect the rules as anyone else does to become a member. And in this case, they are saying in this situation, the children need to be 18 for admittance if their parents are rooting for a specific rival team. I think there is GREAT wisdom in that. I have literally seen families torn apart by rooting for different FOOTBALL teams PEOPLE!!!!! Imagine what kind of strain on a relationship between parent and child could result by them believing that WHO THEIR PARENTS ARE is wrong or a sin. No child should have to make that decision at such a young age. The church is not in the business of tearing families apart, but respecting agency and providing guidance to protect us and the precious children who seek after truth. 
  •  I believe God loves us so much, and there must be wisdom in him doing this to protect his precious children. We may not see it that way right now, but I am sure that is why he did it. Not to punish his children, but to protect them

 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression
  • Now I have already seen many people stating that the church is being a hypocrite because of this statement, but they don't understand the true meaning of this declaration. This is stating that the original sin of Adam- which consequence was death- will not hold sway against the children of men because the Savior- through his atonement. Because of our savior was resurrected and broke the bands of death, ALL god's children: Gay, straight, purple, black, "righteous", "wicked", evil, saint- will ALL be resurrected to an immortal body. You don't have to choose to be resurrected, you just will be, no matter what. That is a gift that has been freely given no matter what. People who construe this article of faith to say " We believe that men (a child) will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's (gay parents) transgressions, have taken this article of faith out of context and misconstrued the words to fit their own benefit. This article of faith only pertains to the Father of Humanity's original sin, and how because of Christ's atonement, the consequence of his sin (death) in the end does not affect us. 
OK. That is all I have so far. I am sure my opinion may change and evolve based on discussion. And contrary to the media's belief today, someone is NOT a hypocrite for seeking more knowledge, and changing their opinion because more knowledge has been received. That is what bothers me about the media today. They say "You said this 10 years ago!!! you believed it once! You don't believe that anymore? OH MY GOODNESS YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE AND A FLIP FLOPPER! No, I am an educated human being with an open mind that will always accept further light and knowledge. We are not all knowing beings, so it is OK when our opinions change.

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